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| | Posted : 14 May 2011 - 12:58 Post title : Recall - Front Fender Fastners | | | Cycle Canada Magazine is saying that theres a recall in Canada for a problem with front fender fastners coming loose... I seem to remember a report of this happening on this forum. Has it been announced elsewhere besides Canada?
I checked on the Triumph website... No recalls listed (as yet) for my VIN#.
Link (Link to Cycle Canada article)
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| Fordster | | Set |  |  | | Reg. Date | : | 16/10/2009 | | Posts | : | 365 | | Location | : | Calgary, Alberta, Canada |
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| | Posted : 14 May 2011 - 13:43 Post title : Re: Recall - Front Fender Fastners (Re: Colin_In_Ottawa) | | | That's interesting, and yea it did come up somewhere on the forum. Here's a link directly to Transport Canada's notification.. Link Says it affects 185 units but I'm not sure if that's only the ones in Canada?
I'm going for a ride today... will be sure to check those mounting bolts before I go. Haven't checked for my VIN yet but I assume it will affect most of us except maybe the latest bikes.
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| Steve | | Set | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 24/03/2011 | | Posts | : | 480 | | Location | : | Chesham, United Kingdom |
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| | Posted : 14 May 2011 - 16:05 Post title : Re: Recall - Front Fender Fastners (Re: Fordster) | | | Where on the Triumph Web site do you find recalls. Can't see anything like that on ours.
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| Fordster | | Set | | | | Reg. Date | : | 16/10/2009 | | Posts | : | 365 | | Location | : | Calgary, Alberta, Canada |
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| | Posted : 14 May 2011 - 16:25 Post title : Re: Recall - Front Fender Fastners (Re: Steve) | | | They don't make it easy to find. On the Canadian site it's here Link but I don't know if that will work for VIN numbers from outside Canada.
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| Steve | | Set | | | | Reg. Date | : | 24/03/2011 | | Posts | : | 480 | | Location | : | Chesham, United Kingdom |
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| | Posted : 14 May 2011 - 19:14 Post title : Re: Recall - Front Fender Fastners (Re: Fordster) | | | Well that's worrying!
According to the Canadian site I get this:
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So how come I don't know anything about it?
Don't see why there should be different VIN numbers in different parts of the world. Maybe, it's the Canadian Gov making them do it.
Anybody know how recalls work?
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| EnGage | | Thor | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 14/07/2009 | | Posts | : | 3,155 | | Location | : | Grand Rapids, MI, United States |
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| | Posted : 14 May 2011 - 21:46 Post title : Re: Recall - Front Fender Fastners (Re: Colin_In_Ottawa) | | | Hypervista had one of his fender bolts come loose and dig into his tire. He was lucky he noticed in time. I know he contacted Triumph about this. I suspect that is were this recall came from.
He hasn't posted since last year. I wonder if he still has his Tbird.
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| fab | | Thor | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 12/10/2009 | | Posts | : | 2,515 | | Location | : | wyong, nsw, Australia |
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| | Posted : 14 May 2011 - 21:56 Post title : Re: Recall - Front Fender Fastners (Re: EnGage) | | | new tbirds that have come out,i noticed that there are rubber washes between the guard brackets and the forks,my bike doesn't have these. so maybe they have installed these spacers to stop the bolts coming loose.
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| RedBird2010 | | Chaac | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 11/10/2010 | | Posts | : | 666 | | Location | : | Spokane Valley, Washington, United States |
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| | Posted : 15 May 2011 - 00:46 Post title : Re: Recall - Front Fender Fastners (Re: fab) | | | fab wrote:
new tbirds that have come out,i noticed that there are rubber washes between the guard brackets and the forks,my bike doesn't have these. so maybe they have installed these spacers to stop the bolts coming loose. |
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I just checked mine, it has the rubber washers and they are tight, got my bike one year ago.
| Rick 
2010 Thunderbird SE 1600
"Harley-Davidson; the worlds' most efficient method of turning gasoline into noise without the harmful side effect of horsepower."
"The wilderness holds answers to questions man has not yet learned to ask"
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| davetac1 | | Thunderbird | | | Reg. Date | : | 06/09/2010 | | Posts | : | 8,379 | | Location | : | Haverhill, Ma., United States |
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| | Posted : 15 May 2011 - 01:43 Post title : Re: Recall - Front Fender Fastners (Re: RedBird2010) | |
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| Fordster | | Set | | | | Reg. Date | : | 16/10/2009 | | Posts | : | 365 | | Location | : | Calgary, Alberta, Canada |
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| | Posted : 15 May 2011 - 02:38 Post title : Re: Recall - Front Fender Fastners (Re: davetac1) | | | I just looked at Hypervista's thread about this. Link It looks like the rubber washer you guys are talking about was on his bike when he had the problem.. or are you talking about something else?
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| davetac1 | | Thunderbird | | | Reg. Date | : | 06/09/2010 | | Posts | : | 8,379 | | Location | : | Haverhill, Ma., United States |
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| | Posted : 15 May 2011 - 03:57 Post title : Re: Recall - Front Fender Fastners (Re: Fordster) | | | I'm talkin about the rubber insulators between the fender and the forks.And yes,my fender mounting screws are tight. Dave!!!
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| | Posted : 15 May 2011 - 06:03 Post title : Re: Recall - Front Fender Fastners (Re: davetac1) | | | Yea but my point is, Hyper's bike had that rubber washer too but it worked it's way loose. In his case it seems likely that it was because the dealer didn't tighten them properly when he had his forks replaced. How do you really know the mounting screws are tight when you can't get to the screw head without removing the wheel? Since that thread (almost a year ago) I regularly check those screws visually to make sure they haven't backed off and I've been fine but it really is hard to check it (other than visually) without removing the wheel. I think that's the issue. So I still think the recall will affect most of us because the rubber washer doesn't solve the problem.
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| lioneloxford | | Set | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 01/04/2011 | | Posts | : | 231 | | Location | : | Oxfordshire, United Kingdom |
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| | Posted : 15 May 2011 - 09:05 Post title : Re: Recall - Front Fender Fastners (Re: Fordster) | | | More here -
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| | Posted : 15 May 2011 - 11:53 Post title : Re: Recall - Front Fender Fastners (Re: lioneloxford) | | | I have to say, purely from a basic engineering viewpoint, what idiot decided that a Phillips (cross-head or whatever they are called across the world) head screw would be a good idea in such a position. If they had simply used a hex head screw, we could have checked relatively easily whether they were tight or not. Having said that, Triumph don't seem to have given too much thought to the design of the securing of the front mudguard ( fender). I think it is the only bike I have had on which I couldn't remove the front mudguard easily.
Makes me wonder (great bike that it is) what other shortcuts they have "designed" in, which we can't see.
Fell better now..........
neil
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| RedBird2010 | | Chaac | | | | Reg. Date | : | 11/10/2010 | | Posts | : | 666 | | Location | : | Spokane Valley, Washington, United States |
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| | Posted : 15 May 2011 - 13:06 Post title : Re: Recall - Front Fender Fastners (Re: lioneloxford) | | | lioneloxford wrote:
More here -
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Thanks for the links, the second one confirms mine will most likely be one that has a problem.
| Rick
2010 Thunderbird SE 1600
"Harley-Davidson; the worlds' most efficient method of turning gasoline into noise without the harmful side effect of horsepower."
"The wilderness holds answers to questions man has not yet learned to ask"
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| davetac1 | | Thunderbird | | | Reg. Date | : | 06/09/2010 | | Posts | : | 8,379 | | Location | : | Haverhill, Ma., United States |
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| | Posted : 15 May 2011 - 14:09 Post title : Re: Recall - Front Fender Fastners (Re: neilf) | | | I believe the reason Triumph used a round head bolt was for clearance purposes, [the round head is usually thinner than a hex head] and there is only minimal clearance between the tire and fender bolt to begin with.However,there are thinner head hex bolts available which could also have been used inplace of the round head bolts.And I suspect "COST" of those thinner hex head bolts was the factor.But,as mentioned,had the dealer,who installs the front wheel when the machine is uncrated,DONE THEIR JOB [more incompetence] and checked those screws like they're supoposed to,none of this nonsense would be happening.So now we have a recall which costs Triumph money.Shame on them.Personally,I have never run into loose fender screws.But that's not to say that there aren't any machines runnin around out there with loose fender mounting bolts and fenders. Dave!!
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| DizzE | | Thor | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 12/07/2010 | | Posts | : | 3,141 | | Location | : | Sunnyvale, CA, United States |
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| | Posted : 15 May 2011 - 14:17 Post title : Re: Recall - Front Fender Fastners (Re: neilf) | | |
neilf wrote:
I have to say, purely from a basic engineering viewpoint, what idiot decided that a Phillips (cross-head or whatever they are called across the world) head screw would be a good idea in such a position. If they had simply used a hex head screw, we could have checked relatively easily whether they were tight or not. Having said that, Triumph don't seem to have given too much thought to the design of the securing of the front mudguard ( fender). I think it is the only bike I have had on which I couldn't remove the front mudguard easily.
Makes me wonder (great bike that it is) what other shortcuts they have "designed" in, which we can't see.
Fell better now..........
neil
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Yeah, I think they are Star Head screws...not even TORX. And AFAIK, the only Star Heads on the bike. I got my bike
shortly after that post came out.
I also think it is a dealer setup item and daz and I disucssed it. He helped me figure it out. How to get the wheel off, etc.
I didn't have a shop manual yet. It was my first Remove, Desmantle and Inspect. RDI, on this bike.
I was specifically checking for ThreadLock. It was there. So I cleaned and renewed my confidence and the TL.
I just pulled the calipers off, left them supported by a box.
Hyper's pic
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| Steve | | Set | | | | Reg. Date | : | 24/03/2011 | | Posts | : | 480 | | Location | : | Chesham, United Kingdom |
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| | Posted : 15 May 2011 - 18:40 Post title : Re: Recall - Front Fender Fastners (Re: DizzE) | | | I find it quite worrying that I only found out about it through a forum. I can't find a page on the UK site that gives you the vin number input so you can check. The Canadian one says my bike has a recall, it's only a few weeks old, so when did they start changing these screws. Can't be long ago.
The US recall site says "TRIUMPH IS RECALLING CERTAIN MODEL YEAR 2010 THUNDERBIRD AND THUNDERBIRD ABS MOTORCYCLES MANUFACTURED FROM SEPTEMBER 2009 THROUGH AUGUST 2010."
Either there is a totally different recall, the above info is wrong, I was sold a bike made before August 2010 (In April 2011?) or VIN numbers are different in different countries.
Better call the dealer on Monday to find out.
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| Leethal | | Zeus | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 24/01/2011 | | Posts | : | 6,407 | | Location | : | Australia |
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| | Posted : 17 May 2011 - 07:39 Post title : Re: Recall - Front Fender Fastners (Re: Steve) | | | Just checked our Triumph site here and mine has a recall, will check with my dealer tomorrow. I did get a service reminder in the mail last week, even though I'm not due for months so maybe that is it.
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| Thatch | | Thor | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 24/06/2009 | | Posts | : | 3,655 | | Location | : | Savannah, GA, United States |
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| | Posted : 17 May 2011 - 09:29 Post title : Re: Recall - Front Fender Fastners (Re: Leethal) | | | Interestingly, mine was a first run bike and there is no recall on mine.
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| Leethal | | Zeus | | | | Reg. Date | : | 24/01/2011 | | Posts | : | 6,407 | | Location | : | Australia |
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| | Posted : 18 May 2011 - 00:34 Post title : Re: Recall - Front Fender Fastners (Re: Leethal) | | | Turns out it's not a recall but a service bulletin to replace the ABS motor bolts(3).
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| | Posted : 19 May 2011 - 09:29 Post title : Re: Recall - Front Fender Fastners (Re: Leethal) | | | Got my recall letter today - affects VIN range 424451-466489.
I reckon they only do things like this to get us back to our dealer to buy things whilst we wait for it to be fixed!
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| RedBird2010 | | Chaac | | | | Reg. Date | : | 11/10/2010 | | Posts | : | 666 | | Location | : | Spokane Valley, Washington, United States |
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| | Posted : 19 May 2011 - 14:20 Post title : Re: Recall - Front Fender Fastners (Re: jensen) | | | jensen wrote:
Got my recall letter today - affects VIN range 424451-466489.
I reckon they only do things like this to get us back to our dealer to buy things whilst we wait for it to be fixed!
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Looks like I'll be getting one. I would be interested to know if they put a different bolt that can be checked or just put locktite on the old ones and call it good.
| Rick
2010 Thunderbird SE 1600
"Harley-Davidson; the worlds' most efficient method of turning gasoline into noise without the harmful side effect of horsepower."
"The wilderness holds answers to questions man has not yet learned to ask"
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| | Posted : 19 May 2011 - 14:51 Post title : Re: Recall - Front Fender Fastners (Re: RedBird2010) | | | Got my recall letter this morning too...
"Dear Triumph Owner
In line with our commitment to quality improvement and customer care, we write to inform you that a limited number of Triumph Thunderbird and Thunderbird ABS motorcycles require the replacement of fixings used to mount the front mudguard. Failure to replace these screws could lead to tyre deflation..."
It goes on to say that the modification involves the fitment of new screws followed by a sentence that I found a bit odd on the first read... "This will ensure that the screws may never loosen or as a consequence contact the side wall of the front tyre."
My first thought was how can you qualify the word 'ensure' with the word 'may'? But I guess criptically one might infer that they will use some kind of locking or binding mechanism (loctite?) to attempt to prevent the screw from coming undone but if it does come undone maybe it is short enough to just fall out without first wearing through the side wall.
The VIN range on my letter is as reported by Jensen - 424451 - 466489
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| | Posted : 19 May 2011 - 15:03 Post title : Re: Recall - Front Fender Fastners (Re: Domino) | | |
Domino wrote:
Got my recall letter this morning too...
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It goes on to say that the modification involves the fitment of new screws followed by a sentence that I found a bit odd on the first read... "This will ensure that the screws may never loosen or as a consequence contact the side wall of the front tyre." |
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I'm going to watch them do this work and if I see a Mig welder come out to play ...........
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| BlueNose | | Thor | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 29/09/2009 | | Posts | : | 2,478 | | Location | : | United Kingdom |
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| | Posted : 19 May 2011 - 20:32 Post title : Re: Recall - Front Fender Fastners (Re: Thatch) | | |
Thatch wrote:
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Was wondering the same thing....
Motorcycle maker Triumph Motorcycles Ltd. is recalling certain Thunderbird models from the 2010 model year because of a problem that could cause screws to loosen unexpectedly.
In a document filed with the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration the company said the recall includes 1,955 bikes built from September 2009 through August 2010. They were built using a thread-locking compound on the screws that secure the front fender to its mount. The compound is incompatible with plating on the screws, and when the two come in contact the plating can keep the thread locker from working properly.
Thread locker is like glue used to keep screws, nuts, bolts and other threaded fasteners from loosening easily. Its use is common in motor vehicles, motorcycles in particular, in which vibrations can cause fasteners to loosen unless they are cemented in place.
You and I are just a couple of old timers...
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| Thatch | | Thor | | | | Reg. Date | : | 24/06/2009 | | Posts | : | 3,655 | | Location | : | Savannah, GA, United States |
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| | Posted : 19 May 2011 - 20:52 Post title : Re: Recall - Front Fender Fastners (Re: BlueNose) | | | BlueNose wrote:
You and I are just a couple of old timers...
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Aint that the truth, in more ways than one.
Interesting that it is that specific of a window where they were using a different compound. Hmmm ... well not that I'm pleased anyone has the issue, but I'm damn pleased that I don't. (I did do a finger check on them today to make sure they were where they belonged)
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| zolti | | Thor | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 23/03/2010 | | Posts | : | 3,127 | | Location | : | newcastle , United Kingdom |
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| | Posted : 20 May 2011 - 17:46 Post title : Re: Recall - Front Fender Fastners (Re: jensen) | | |
jensen wrote:
Got my recall letter today - affects VIN range 424451-466489.
I reckon they only do things like this to get us back to our dealer to buy things whilst we wait for it to be fixed!
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sneaky bastions, cant wait for my letter 
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| Steve | | Set | | | | Reg. Date | : | 24/03/2011 | | Posts | : | 480 | | Location | : | Chesham, United Kingdom |
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| | Posted : 20 May 2011 - 22:15 Post title : Re: Recall - Front Fender Fastners (Re: BlueNose) | | |
Thatch wrote:
In a document filed with the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration the company said the recall includes 1,955 bikes built from September 2009 through August 2010. They were built using a thread-locking compound on the screws that secure the front fender to its mount. The compound is incompatible with plating on the screws, and when the two come in contact the plating can keep the thread locker from working properly.
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Got my letter too so mine is in the run. I only got it in April this year so where has it been since August last year then?
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| Leethal | | Zeus | | | | Reg. Date | : | 24/01/2011 | | Posts | : | 6,407 | | Location | : | Australia |
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| | Posted : 21 May 2011 - 03:39 Post title : Re: Recall - Front Fender Fastners (Re: Steve) | | |
Steve wrote:
Thatch wrote:
In a document filed with the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration the company said the recall includes 1,955 bikes built from September 2009 through August 2010. They were built using a thread-locking compound on the screws that secure the front fender to its mount. The compound is incompatible with plating on the screws, and when the two come in contact the plating can keep the thread locker from working properly.
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Got my letter too so mine is in the run. I only got it in April this year so where has it been since August last year then? |
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Ahh, probably just the Dakar rally, wouldn't worry about it.
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